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  • David Moss
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      in reply to: The zionist state #11371

      Chana, this forum is not used by many people, so most AHC members will not be aware of your post. That would probably be the main reason no one has responded. But as an organization, the members of the AHC pray for the people in Israel, in Gaza, and in the other Arab nations surrounding Israel. I disagree with your characterization of what is taking place in Gaza. Regardless of how we differ in our understanding, this discussion will not continue here.

      David Moss
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        in reply to: The zionist state #11367

        I don’t review this forum every day, so a discussion can go on before I am aware of it.The fact is that you introduced this topic. Father only responded once. This was a discussion you initiated and carried on. In any case, I am simply letting you know that this topic is not appropriate for this forum.If Father is following the discussion, he will read what I have written and I hope he will honor my request that this does not continue.

        Chana, the work of the AHC is unique in the Church and I would think that you, as a Hebrew Catholic, would be interested in discussing the issues that the AHC is based upon.

        David Moss
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          in reply to: The zionist state #11363

          Chana, this forum is not the appropriate place for the topic you have introduced. Rather, the forum is intended to discuss the various topics concerning the ideas of Fr.Friedman’s thesis and the mission of the AHC. While we do include Israel (people, land, state) in our discussions, this topic does not contribute to what the AHC is all about. Please do not continue with your views of zionism.

          • This reply was modified 3 months ago by David Moss.
          David Moss
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            Dear Father,
            I am happy to see you were able to log in.
            Shalom,
            David

            David Moss
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              Hi, I had a few minutes and was able to take a look at this forum. I appreciate everything that has been written and sympathize with those who have had difficulty adjusting to life in their parish. Historically, we are in a transition period where, for the first time since about the 3rd or 4th century, the Church is officially embracing the Jewish people. While they are doing so with respect to the Jewish people outside the Church, the Church has not yet said much, except on an individual basis, regarding the Jews within the Church. While the theoiogians and clerics do their work, the AHC is moving forward, slowly and steadily, to help those Jews who have entered the Church to preserve their identity and heritage within the Church. Unfortunately, since we are so thinly dispersed throughout the world, much of our efforts have to be carried out via electonic communications.
              The Jewish people in Egypt waited for hundreds of years before God sent a deliverer, Moses. It took a lot longer before God sent His Son Yeshua, but this time not just for the Jews but for the whole world. And those in the world that entered the Church overwhelmed the Jews who started it all. That was for a time. We have entered a new time, and I beg your prayers and patience as His will unfolds. I also welcome your support for the AHC as we serve our Lord in restoring the People Israel to their Church.

              David Moss
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                David, I just saw this post in the forum.

                I would suggest that you find others who are interested in the Jewish roots of their Catholic faith. Then, form an AHC havurah which is a prayer-study-fellowship group. For guidance and info, contact Ken and Flora Wilsker at ahc.havurah@yahoo.com. They provide havurah oversight and will be happy to help.

                Also, join our Facebook group. The members there are Catholics of both Jewish and non-Jewish origin. They would be happy to answer any questions you have.

                Shalom
                David Moss

                David Moss
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                  Hi Binyamin,
                  I may have written this before, but to review: Fr. Friedman OCD launched the AHC with Andrew Sholl, a Holocaust survivor, in 1979. I learned about it and began to get involved in the early 1980s. I assumed responsibility for the development of the AHC in 1993. Since then, the AHC website, the AHC webstore, this Forum, The Miriam Press (the AHC publishing arm), the almost quarterly publication – The Hebrew Catholic, audio/video courses, sample home liturgies for Jewish celebrations in the light of Christ, etc. have all been developed.

                  In the last few years, Ken and Flora Wilsker has begun to encourage the development of havurot.

                  You write that most members (of the Facebook group) appear to have been non-observant Jews prior to their conversion to Catholicism. I cannot confirm or deny that is the case. Many Jews who were observant do not publicly reveal themselves in a forum such as Facebook. But, whether true or not, membership in the Facebook group is NOT membership in the AHC. The Facebook group was started by a friend from Argentina, Pablo Carrion. So whatever observations you make about the Facebook group does not necessarily apply to the AHC.

                  The work of the AHC is to preserve Jewish identity and heritage within the Catholic Church. While many talk about it in the Facebook group, the work is done in the AHC. There are many Hebrew Catholics in the AHC who come from observant backgrounds. One Observant Jewish woman, now also a Catholic, is married to a Catholic man. They are running an internet havurot from Israel for young couples with children. Their intention is to explore how to raise their children in both traditions, living and celebrating both traditions.

                  I should mention that the havurot are groups that are voluntarily started and run. While I believe that they will help us develop individually and as an organization, their work is not controlled by the AHC. Our only role is to support them as best we can as long as they remain faithful to the teachings of the Church.

                  The AHC community did NOT “purposdfully, knowingly” set up meetings on Shabbat. The AHC does not direct the setup, timinmg, or content of havurah meetings.

                  Binyamin, you are interpeting things too personally. The AHC is not officially connected to Facebook or to any havurah. If you want to be more involved with Hebrew Catholics who are/were observant, then let’s think about how we can invite them into some form of communication/meeting. What are you willing to do to make this possible?

                  I am starting on the next issue of “The Hebrew Cathoiic.” If you provide me with an email address, I can put in a blurb that you are looking to make contact with Hebrew Catholics who are/were observant and wish to connect with others like themselves.

                  Let me know. You can reach me at dmoss@hebrewcatholic.org.

                  David Moss
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                    I think I just answered you regarding the kippah. The AHC is still young and our members are spread throughout the world. We are encouraging the formation of havurot, where members can get together for prayer, study, and fellowship. It will still be awhile before we have enough people and enough structure to form an approved community within the Church. If you are able, join our Facebook group. There you will find Hebrew Catholics from a variety of backgrounds, cultures, and nationalities. That may help a bit.

                    David Moss
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                      in reply to: Kippah in Church? #10374

                      Shalom,
                      In principle, there should be no problem with wearing a kippah during Mass. In fact, one of our members used to wear both the kippah and the tallit at Mass.

                      When we came to St. Louis, this member attended a Mass with us which was celebrated by Archbishop, now Cardinal, Burke. Archbishop Burke was the one who welcomed us to St. Louis. After Mass, one of the Catholic men attending ran up to the Archbishop to tell him that a Jew had just received the Eucharist. Archbishop Burke knew who our friend was and he responded: “A Jew just received a Jew.”

                      Since Vatican II, theologians and clerics have been working to understand the Church’s relationship with the Jewish people, both those inside the Church as well as those outside. It is going to take time to revise the narrative that has been present for 1700+ years.

                      The prelates use of a kippah-like hat, called a zucchetto, is a tradition dating back, I believe, to the 1300s.

                      Regarding your desire to wear the kippah, I would advise you to respond with prudence and love. I know of no rules directing what the laity may wear. Today, it is scandalous the way some people come dressed to Mass. If your pastor doesn’t forbid you to wear it, then wear it. However, if wearing it causes distress amongst the laity, then out of love for them, I would not wear it. It is going to take time before normal Catholics get used to Jewish traditions.

                      • This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by David Moss.
                      David Moss
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                        Excellent, Br.Gilbert.

                        David Moss
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                          in reply to: New here #8824

                          Shalom Joel,

                          There is no certificate offered for these lectures. Dr. Feingold’s email address is:

                          feingold@kenrick.edu

                          In Messiah
                          David

                          David Moss
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                            in reply to: Teflilin anyone? #8699

                            John, you may not get much of a response here. The Forums were only recently established and people are slowly joining in. Most still use Facebook for discussions.

                            On a personal basis, I don’t Tefillin.

                            David Moss
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                              in reply to: New here #8697

                              Hi Susan,

                              I am glad you found us. We recently established these forums on our website, but most people are still engaging in discussions on our Facebook page.

                              Regarding testimonies online, you can find a number of them in the video archive of the “Journey Home,” a program on the EWTN network. Roy Schoeman has a number of videos on Youtube, which I believe you would find interesting. His book, “Salvation is From the Jews,” is a comprehensive overview of salvation history focused on the role of the Jewish people.

                              Another book by Elias Friedman OCD, the founder of the Association of Hebrew Catholics (AHC), is entitled “Jewish Identity.” This book lays out the theological foundations of the AHC.

                              There is a 3 volume set with the overall title “The Mystery of Israel and the Church.” In this set, Dr. Larry Feingold reviews The books bring out the wonderful role of the People Israel in salvation history and the deep ties between the People Israel and the Church.

                              All of these books, and much more, are available in our webstore. If you go to the store (click on the menu item “Store” in the blue ribbon above), you can enter titles and other terms in the search field. You can also choose one of the categories in the drop down list below the search field. In the description for each book, there is often a table of contents to indicate the contents of the book.

                              There are also a number of books and videos by Brant Pitre. In his presentations, he attempts to show what the Jewish people meant by various beliefs and practices, revealed in Scripture, at the time of Yeshua and the apostles. One particularly good book is “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist.”

                              Finally, there is an excellent book, “Second Exodus,” by Martin Barrack. Marty explains the Catholic faith from his Jewish perspective.

                              Browse through our store to get a sense of what is available. But the books above might be a good starting point.

                              Let me know if I can be of any further help. A better way to reach me is via email:
                              dmoss@hebrewcatholic.org.

                              Wishing you and your husband every blessing in Messiah
                              David Moss

                              David Moss
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                                Hi Andre,

                                Yes, please do mention you posted here. I would like to encourage everyone to start using these forums.

                                Some additional thoughts came after I posted. Try Brant Pitre at Catholicproductions. He has produced many books/videos about the Jewish roots of the faith. Another is Scott Hahn.

                                In Messiah
                                David

                                David Moss
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                                  Andre,

                                  Thanks for posting your query. We have just started these forums and we have not yet had many of our Facebook members move over here. I am sorry for the inconvenience, but you should get a response if you post your query in the Facebook group of the Association of Hebrew Catholics. If you are not a member of that group, please apply and I will approve you.

                                  In addition to our Facebook group, you can try catholic.com, which is a good Catholic apologetics site. Another avenue is Marty Barrack’s secondexodus.com. Marty is a Hebrew Catholic and his site explains much of the Jewish roots of our Catholic faith.

                                  Personally, I have never studied the geography, weather, etc. of the region of Israel that the person you reference writes about. However, I would be very suspect that more than 2,000 years after the fact, someone comes up with a theory that debunks the New Testament. There are many Jewish people who have tried, because they don’t believe in Jesus.

                                  I hope you can find an answer from one of the sources above.

                                  God bless,
                                  David

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